Well it’s definitely understandable one of them was And the other thrown on hyzer oh my it flips up lil over end finishes gradually left such an amazing disc

Not what I thought it would be. I was expecting a faster Vanish. Instead it is probably the best roller disc I've ever thrown. The Tenacity flips almost straight out of the hand and beelines to the ground. Not as advertised but there is definitely a use for it. I'd rate it as 13 5 -5 0.

For a larger wing DD, it’s surprisingly comfy in (my) hand. I first played this disc in the East on a few hybrid courses. Which I love! Definitely not a headwind DD. But light and variable winds, and tailwind drives this disc can mash! Like most big wing drives it is sorta sensitive on release angle. I mostly threw slight hyzer flips. At 1000’ elevation it was holding the hyzer for the first portion of the flight, then going flat, dead straight, and having a late subtle turn, but always finished back left in a pushing manner. It flew very consistently for me in this manner. It was very cool watching such a late turn, but still having low speed stability kick in. I wasn’t getting any super crazy distances but it was consistent to 4-420’s for me. Here in Utah at 4500’ish feet, like all discs at altitude, it still exhibits those aforementioned characteristics, just muted some. And, it’s definitely more finicky on release ( nose ) angles. All in all I like it, not a first string disc in my bag, but it’s definitely on the team… I have noticed her in northern Utah, when I put full power to it, she flips and never comes back.

I usually carry 2 waves but lost one recently to the water gods. The one I lost was the more stable of the two and since no one has any new Waves in stock, I had to scramble. The lighter weight tenacity feels a lot like a heavier wave and has earned the spot in my bag.

Amazing stamp, great hand feel.